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Indiana Jane   on 14/05/17 @ 20:26 said:

I've been in the area for nearly 17 years and still not seen a Snowdon lily. You need someone to show you where to look and probably need a rope to get there. I think it is about the right time of year though.

Indiana Jane   on 14/05/17 @ 20:32 said:

The bus would be a good way to travel. The last bus back seems to be 17.55 so we would have to keep a close eye on the time but there should be no problem with doing the Horseshoe by then.

M3   on 14/05/17 @ 21:32 said:

IJ: In the unlikely event that I try and scale old Cloggy, or any of the other hard to reach places, in order to find the elusive Snowdon Lily and fail, then I'd like my ashes scattering on Carnedd Llewelyn please. Cheers.

Also the bus would cut out the hassle of finding out that the car park was full, but yes we'll need to watch the time. I'll find out where exactly it stops and whether we need to flag it down or put stingers on the road to make it stop.

chrism72   on 14/05/17 @ 23:21 said:

Consider adding the north ridge to to extend the horseshoe , a great addition to a great route

catwalker   on 15/05/17 @ 20:14 said:

For crib goch I'll decide on the day or the day before.
Hope that's ok

M3   on 15/05/17 @ 20:56 said:

Catwalker: That's absolutely fine. The Cwm Eigiau Horseshoe is magnificent and a really good days walking and Siabod is different, still a big mountain but just one peak to deal with, with enclosed scrambling, so I promise you it'll be fine. Anyway I'm more concerned with the apres walking now

M1960   on 15/05/17 @ 21:47 said:

M3: This link shows the bus stops in Capel Curig -
https://bustimes.org.uk/localities/E0054158

Just a thought - what would the plan be if the last bus back was full and we couldn't get on? (I have no idea how likely that is). Many years ago, having gone up the Watkin and down the Pyg with my parents, I remember my dad enquiring at Pen-y-Gwryd about a bus to Nantqwynant and being told there wasn't one until the following year . That was one of the few occasions I heard my mother swear! Fortunately, someone we had met on the mountain stopped and gave us a lift part of the way.

M3   on 15/05/17 @ 22:20 said:

M1960: Thank you for that, haven't looked yet but I trust you!!
Well I suppose it would be shanks pony then back to the digs. It would be better for 3 of us to skip off and collect the cars or nip over the road to the youth hostel and call a taxi, after a bite to eat there and split the costs, it's not far, or we could hitch, maybe catch a few wild ponies and ride bareback. Actually there's a problem with that, they live on the Carneddau. Well let's wait and see and maybe discuss a plan the day before and vote on it. Quite honestly I think we'll just be happy to be off the mountain. It'll be fine. Cheers Mark

M1960   on 16/05/17 @ 0:08 said:

I have found the following on http://swissitalianpaddlesteamers.com/snowdonsherpa/home.html

"The majority of Snowdon Sherpa bus services are operated by modern low-floor minibuses but are sometimes replaced by a larger bus during busy periods. There is no specific requirement for groups to pre-book, but ANY parties are advised in their own interests to ring the operator the day before to ensure a sufficiently large bus or duplicate is provided. Squeezing even half-a-dozen extra passengers into a small minibus can sometimes be quite a challenge !!!!"

Indiana Jane   on 16/05/17 @ 21:54 said:

None of the Sherpa buses are minibuses, even the smaller ones. The chances are that we will be able to squeeze on.

M1960   on 17/05/17 @ 1:50 said:

That's strange - I cut and pasted the information straight off this website (although it is an unofficial site): http://swissitalianpaddlesteamers.com/snowdonsherpa/home.html

M3   on 02/06/17 @ 21:56 said:

I think it might even be a double decker, after speaking with Express motors again earlier. The last bus back is 5.50 pm
There are pros and cons to the bus versus cars. Firstly we're likely to fit on and actually get there. But afterwards when possibly feeling slightly jaded we may have to wait or having missed it, get taxis. If we car share we would need 5 cars perhaps and really would have to be there very early, like 7.30 I think (that's not based on anything solid btw). But crucially it would make a traverse of Crib Goch safer due to less people. It may resemble the M1 when we do it later.Passing people is tricky. Whatever condition and time we finish we know we can just go. Let's vote x

Indiana Jane   on 08/06/17 @ 8:07 said:

If taking cars we can park down by Pen y Gwryd pub, preferably in the free layby on the Conwy side of the border and walk/get a bus/get a taxi up to Pen y Pass. But I think getting the bus from Capel Curig is the best idea. We should easily get the Horseshoe finished in 8 hours. However it is true that Crib Goch will be busy if the weather is half decent.

Helvellyn40   on 08/06/17 @ 19:40 said:

I agree with Jane that the bus is the best option,and should easily get round in time for the last bus.

M3   on 09/06/17 @ 22:32 said:

That's two votes for the bus then. Unfortunately it took us 9 ish hours when we did a recce as we went wrong a few times, so I've put a couple of taxi numbers on my phone, Plan B (not cheap). The bus costs about ?1.50 each way. I think when you can actually see something it's so much easier (that doesn't apply to Crib Goch)

M3   on 13/06/17 @ 19:11 said:

Blow I've just remembered that there's no phone signal at Pen y pass so we'll just have to make sure we make the last bus.

M1960   on 13/06/17 @ 22:20 said:

I'll be staying in Capel Curig, about a mile nearer to Pen-y-Pass than the Siabod Longhouse. I'm not adverse to road walking, and if necessary I'll walk back to my car (it's less than 6 miles) and return to pick up some more drivers.

M3   on 13/06/17 @ 23:09 said:

M1960: well that's very good of you but wait and see how you feel afterwards, it's not easy. It makes the Yorkshire 3 Peaks feel like a stroll in the local park. Only 2 people have cast their votes so far, this is a democracy. I don't accept postal voting but we can have a vote on it Fri in the pub. My vote would be to take cars, it wouldn't work out dearer than the bus ?10 divided by 3 or 4 people, convenience and safer on Crib Goch. But if more prefer the bus that's fine too. Pls don't waste your vote, women died for the privilege and apathy is not an option.

M1960   on 13/06/17 @ 23:30 said:

I've done the Snowdon Horseshoe several times actually, so I know what it's like. I'm a floating voter here - no strong feelings either way.

M3   on 14/06/17 @ 0:00 said:

M1960: Good. Don't forget you showed me your feet after the 3 Peaks!
No vote, no show

M1960   on 14/06/17 @ 0:30 said:

I've got some pictures I took of my blistered trotters after the Edale Skyline on my mobile phone which I could show you – I'm going to strap them up with zinc oxide tape this time!

jo_jo   on 14/06/17 @ 19:54 said:

M3:I am leaning towards an early start so we miss the mad crowds on the Crib. Could leave cars at Pen y grwyd Park and Ride and catch an early bus. Could be an option... ��

M3   on 14/06/17 @ 20:20 said:

Jo_jo:
Hi easier to just park at Pen y pass and split costs, less hassle, less effort, more convenient. Similar cost to bus from Capel. If we start waiting for buses it won't be an early start. You can lift share with me though Jo, you don't need to take your car up. Anyway we'll see what others prefer. It would be cooler as well. Take care. Ring/ msg me if any questions.

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