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Lazlo Woodbine   on 11/09/18 @ 12:16 said:

1 Ban trail bikes and off roaders. They are a real menace turning footpaths and bridle paths in to something resembling quarries.
2. Limit areas for mountain bikers. They erode the paths far quicker than hikers and close access to mountain bikers for a year on badly eroded paths to allow recovery.

trekkie  on 13/09/18 @ 13:40 said:

Controversial approach.
I seem to recall very badly eroded paths prior to the advent of mountain biking.

I would be interested to see the source of your statement. When I have looked in the past there are very few studies and of those they were fairly inconclusive re walkers and mtb.
https://www.mbr.co.uk/news/research-reveals-walkers-do-more-damage-to-trails-than-mountain-bikers-335785
It might be interesting to see if e-powered mtb make a difference either way.
Erosion is from overuse either walking or biking, or running...

trekkie  on 13/09/18 @ 13:42 said:


Leaving eroded paths to recover will not work where there will be future heavy traffic because it is down below the soil level etc..

Unfortunately heavy use areas need solid substrates to support the traffic.


https://www.mbr.co.uk/news/research-reveals-walkers-do-more-damage-to-trails-than-mountain-bikers-335785

Lazlo Woodbine   on 15/09/18 @ 8:03 said:

I don't know who did that that study but you should see Doctors gate near Edale. It is so rutted by off road vehicles it is now unusable by walkers. The Peak Park planning board closed it to mechanised vehicles but the scum bags challenged this in the court and won their case. Try the path between Langsett and Howden resevoirs and see what the mountain bikes have done. They create channels which the water makes in to deep grooves. The bikers then choose another path. I have walked that path for years and it is only since the advent of mountain biking that the path has deteriorated. I don't know who did that research but the evidence of my own eyes says that their conclusions are rubbish.

Lazlo Woodbine   on 15/09/18 @ 8:07 said:

That should be Chapel gate near Edale, not Doctors gate.

trekkie  on 21/09/18 @ 15:49 said:

I also remember what parts of the Pennine Way were like (and in places still are) again pre mountain biking.
There will always be examples and exceptions to support each side of a discussion.
A call to ban other peoples pursuits without offering alternatives?
Wouldnt that set a precedent to then ban walkers or limit where they can go too?

Lazlo Woodbine   on 21/09/18 @ 18:56 said:

I can't imagine the intention of Benny Rothman and the other mass trespassers was to open the hills to the self indulgent who put their private gain above the public loss. There are plenty of disused quarries etc for pursuits which tear up the ground without destroying the foot paths.

Lazlo Woodbine   on 27/09/18 @ 8:45 said:

https://www.change.org/p/to-the-ceo-of-the-lake-district-national-park-authority-protect-the-lake-district-s-world-heritage-status-by-banning-4x4s/psf/share?share=1

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