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Bentravla   on 01/07/17 @ 10:10 said:

Quite so. Anyway maps have character, my Garmin might work, but it certainly doesn't have character.

ps Top is Norf... well mostly

M3   on 01/07/17 @ 10:22 said:

Oh the last bit got chopped off, must of run out of words....
"- Is your map accurate? Check. If it has a blank area with 'HereBe Dragons' written on it, then it may be time to update."

Bentravla: cheers I'll bear that in mind

Lazlo Woodbine   on 01/07/17 @ 10:29 said:

I binned the sat nav years ago. It made too many errors. Got fed up with arguing with it when it was wrong. I do own a sextant but it's only an ornament and using it whilst driving is a bit of a bind.

womble   on 01/07/17 @ 18:51 said:

Ahh, yes, but unless one is always headed Norf, the map could be aligned any which way, including upside down.

M3   on 01/07/17 @ 19:07 said:

Womble: Good point, luckily there's also a section on 'Reading Instructions', so mostly I'll go with that
I'll post it separately.
Many thanks

Bentravla   on 01/07/17 @ 19:37 said:

Good point Womble, maybe thats why I always have to walk backwards when heading Sarf. Yes, yes shuffle sideways towards the setting sun.

Beetlehike   on 02/07/17 @ 9:05 said:

Compass or GPS are both tools for telling where you are on earth. Some will some wont. No point dedicating which of the two methods should be used. Its not about authority. Enjoy your hike or walk as some will find their way others will find their way and learn it the hard way. Map reading with compass is a skill. GPS is a automated tool that does what a map reader will do. Orient map to location where you are and upright the map to point in the direction you are heading. Up is north. Paper map you have to tune and align your map to the compass north. Get paper north and compass north aligned and you get your sense of direction.

landranger68   on 02/07/17 @ 15:00 said:

There is a benefit of being off course as you meet people you would never have met in the first place

M3   on 02/07/17 @ 16:47 said:

Well said Landranger68 and quite frankly begs the question why would anyone want to be on course in the first place then, defeats the whole object does if not?

Beetlehike   on 02/07/17 @ 18:06 said:

Glad you recognise your differences so you should let it be. Only those who find faults are spoiling what is quite frankly nothing to fuss about. There are many good walks on gpx to explore just like you would hold on to OS Explorer or OS Ranger map to find your directions to lead or not lead a group.

M3   on 02/07/17 @ 21:24 said:

landranger68: and you could always share a macallun with one of these 'people you would never have met in the first place' and then to heck with whether you're on the map or not. Which brings me to a final quote (before I get into trouble) from that fabulously funny book 'Man Points', Ebury Press 2015.
"If alcopops are the nursery slopes of booze, then neat whiskey is the black run to which all men aspire. Whiskey is a serious drink, drunk by real men. Did Winston Churchill plan D-Day with a strawberry daiquiri in his hand? No, he did not."


Blue John   on 03/07/17 @ 18:04 said:

Words of advice from the Peak ranger on my navigation course....."always orientate the map to the landscape never the other way round, the landscape is always right"

Indiana Jane   on 03/07/17 @ 21:36 said:

I'm very much a map person myself but using a basic GPS to get a grid ref along side a map and compass can save a lot of messing about when visibility is near zero. So some Man Points lost there. However I'm quite an expert on the whisky black run (always neat of course) so maybe I can hope to win "real man" status.

Carpe Diem!   on 04/07/17 @ 9:16 said:

M3: yep you're right ...I love the stuff

Helvellyn40   on 04/07/17 @ 11:42 said:

I'v never used a GPS,much prefer map and compass,and usually found them to be accurate,that said i do know of a certain Scottish mountain where the mapping could be wrong,as a number of people over the years have fallen through the cornice in winter.

mirador   on 04/07/17 @ 16:11 said:

50 years of driving, hiking, riding using maps and never had a satnav. My tolerance of instructions is far too low for that! My sop to modernisation is occasionally using the gps on the phone to get unlost

Philtheetiler   on 04/07/17 @ 16:29 said:

mirador: could not agree more, but when driving have found the satnav useful for finding an address in an unfamiliar town.
Never been lost just not sure where I am at times !

iansmyname.....orisitjohn?   on 04/07/17 @ 16:52 said:

Personally i never walk on my own or with someone or a group that I have never been with before without a map and a compass. To me this is a totally natural thing to do. I will omit these items on occasion, but part of the fun of walking is map reading and navigating. We don't really need the electronics, do we?
They do however help and are a worthy addition to certain situations. As Jane aluded to eariler in this thread. In adverse weather a GPS fix is a godsend. On the Whiskey note. I hate it and so dod my dad. Who was a true Scot. Born and bred from Kirkaldy. Guess I'm not a real man then!!!!!

Philtheetiler   on 04/07/17 @ 17:05 said:

iansmyname.......orisitjohn?: W.T.F. Is " Man points " anyway ? And whiskey is not the only worthy drink

iansmyname.....orisitjohn?   on 04/07/17 @ 17:21 said:

Philtheetiler: Amen Phil....

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